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World Tour 2017 and HWBOT X
Road to Pro 2017
|XTU||Core i7 7820X||rsannino||3692 marks|
|HWBOT x265 Benchmark - 1080p||Core i7 7820X||rsannino||89.82 fps|
|XTU||Core i5 6400||Alex@ro||1043 marks|
|HWBOT x265 Benchmark - 1080p||Core i7 5960X||darkgregor||76.47 fps|
|Geekbench3 - Multi Core||Core i7 5960X||darkgregor||44515 points|
|XTU||Core i3 7350K||Skwurrl_Nutz||1038 marks|
|XTU||Core i7 7820X||aerotracks||2997 marks|
|Cinebench - R15||Core i7 7820X||rsannino||2587 cb|
|Unigine Heaven - Xtreme||GeForce GTX 1080 Ti||littleboy||8647.44 DX11 Marks|
|Cinebench - R15||Core i7 7700K||RoseCItyPCMods||1439 cb|
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Our Motherboard Memory Lane series today arrives at the AMD Socket FM1 era. The arrival of the FM1 Socket heralded a significant change in direction for AMD which launched its first Accelerated Processor Units or APUs in the market. Aimed at the mainstream to entry-level segment the new platform hoped to woo PC enthusiasts and overclockers with a relatively decent CPU coupled with a much beefier integrated GPU. Let’s take a closer at the new platform, the motherboards and processors that were popular during this era and of course, some of the most notable scores posted on HWBOT.
The arrival of the AMD FM1 Socket marked a pivotal change in the overall AMD product lineup. Socket FM1 would become the mid-range and entry-level platform leaving the mature AM3+ platform to spearhead its high-end offerings. Whereas previous mainstream platforms from AMD had relied upon a Northbridge Chipset such as the AMD 880G and AMD 880GX to deliver integrated graphics and digital display outputs, the new FM1 platform used Accelerated Processor Units had a much more substantial GPU baked into the processor itself. AMD would later release its Bulldozer-based AMD FX series processors on the AM3+ platform in an attempt to better compete with Intel’s recently arrived Sandy Bridge offerings.
This week our Motherboard memory Lane series turns its attention to the AMD AM3 Socket. The platform boasted an updated processor series that brought DDR3 memory support to AMD platforms for the first time, plus a broad range of dual-core, tri-core, quad-core and hexa-core models that AMD hoped would woo the hearts and minds of overclockers on HWBOT. Let’s move on and check out the motherboards, chipsets, processors and scores that defined the AMD AM3 generation.
With Socket AM3 we have the arrival of a new and updated series of AMD Phenom II processors. The most notable feature of the new chips was the modified memory controller (residing in the CPU) which now supported DDR3. This was AMD’s first stint at supporting DDR3 memory which had by this stage become reasonably affordable compared to DDR2 modules, largely thanks to Intel again making the move much earlier to help drive adoption. At launch AMD Phenom II X4 and X3 processors based on the Denab iteration of the K10 architecture arrived supporting dual-channel DDR3-1333 memory with multipliers available for frequencies as high as DDR3-1600. One other key difference was a larger L3 cache and the use of a 2GHz HyperTransport bus (compared to 1.8GHz on the previous gen).
The subject of this week’s Motherboard Memory Lane article is the AMD AM2+ platform. Strictly speaking the AMD AM2+ socket is historically the successor to the Socket AM2 and the predecessor to Socket AM3. The AMD AM2+ Socket was launched alongside the company’s first true quad-core and tri-core processors; the AMD Phenom series. Let’s take a look at the platform itself, the processors that it supported, the boards that were popular and of course the scores that were made by HWBOT members at that time.
After the roaring success of its K7 Athlon architecture CPUs and its follow up, the K8 Hammer architecture which brought us the first 64-bit, dual-core processors, the K10 architecture (technically referred to as the AMD 10h Family) arrived with a new Phenom brand name and the company’s first true (monolithic) quad-core processor series. Sounds pretty exciting, but in fact the new platform was received by tech media and enthusiasts with some real disappointment. Let’s look at why this happened.
Clock speeds were lower than expected, the platform remain limited (initially at least) to DDR2 memory and suffered a from translation lookaside buffer (TLB) bug that could cause a system lock-up (in fairly rare circumstances). Perhaps even worst of all, the new AMD Phenom chips simply could not keep up with Intel’s performance. You could almost point to the AM2+ launch as the beginning of the company’s drift into the void of non competitiveness. A void from which it is only now, ten years later, beginning to return, thanks to its new Zen architecture offerings.
Welcome to the latest edition of our Motherboard Memory lane series here on HWBOT. This week we turn our attention to the AMD AM2 platform, a platform that most notably featured an updated integrated memory controller that supported DDR2 standard memory. The platform also arrived with a new series of AMD 64 X2 processors based on a new and revamped K8 architecture. Let’s take a look at the AMD AM2 platform, the boards and processors that were popular with overclockers at that time and some of the outstanding scores that were submitted to HWBOT.
The AMD AM2 platform officially arrived in May 2006 and was the direct replacement for Socket 939. Although physically the AM2 Socket used exactly 940 pins in the same ZFI (zero insertion force) socket design that is used today, the new platform did not physically support previous generation Socket 940 CPUs due to an intentionally incompatible pin layout. The new socket however did debut a different heatsink retention mechanism with a cage-like design that was attached to the motherboard using four screws, not two. The heatsink / cooler dimensions remained unchanged however.
The new platform arrived with a range of single and dual-core processors, initially based on the Windsor (dual-core) and Manilla (single-core) architectures which were members of the original K8 family which had debuted several years earlier with Socket 754. Subsequent platform refreshes added Brisbane and Orleans architecture models.
Today in our Motherboard Memory Lane series we take on the classic AMD Socket 939 platform. After the heady heyday of the Socket A era, Socket 939 saw AMD build on the 64-bit architecture processors that debut on Socket 754, adding dual channel memory support, improved overclocking and eventually dual-core models. All of which makes it a memorable platform for many overclockers, especially when you thrown in some truly magnificent motherboards from DFI. Come with us as we recall the chipsets and boards that defined the era, plus a few of the scores that were submitted to HWBOT at the time.
The AMD Socket 939 platform arrived on the market in June 2004, just nine months after the company launched its Socket 754 platform. As with Socket 754, the new platform was designed to support the latest Athlon 64 and Sempron processors, eventually going to support Athlon 64 FX and Athlon 64 X2 models. The actual Socket 939 design was in fact very similar to Socket 940 (just one pin less) which was essentially AMD’s server platform. Socket 940 supported Opteron and Athlon 64 FX chips which required registered DDR memory. In terms of design Socket 939 was launched as consumer grade platform and featured a dual memory controller and support for more affordable and readily available non-registered memory modules.
At launch the new platform arrived with a new range of Athlon 64 processors, and as with the previous Socket 754 platform, two main chipset options; VIA and Nvidia. At launch the VIA K8T800 competed against the Nvidia nForce3 platform. Eventually the most popular choice with overclockers became the Nvidia nForce4 chipset, a single chip solution that evolved to offer a 1GHz HyperTransport support and SLI support, one of the first AMD platforms to do so. While the standard nForce4 Ultra MCP (Media Communications Processor) offered 20 lanes of PCIe the nForce4 SLI packed 38 lanes of PCIe (which had now replaced the aging AGP interface). The nForce4 Ultra chipset also offered 10 USB 2.0 ports, 2x IDE ports and 4x SATA 3Gbps ports, Gigabit LAN and AC’97 2.3 audio.
Having acquired the latest and (perhaps) greatest graphics card from AMD, the Vega: Frontier Edition, Steve Burke and his colleagues at Gamers Nexus decided to explore the performance parameters of the new card and indeed the new Vega architecture GPUs. They started by adding a closed loop cooler (CLC) to the card, a job which ended being quite a mission due to the slightly irregular mounting holes on the PCB. The problem was eventually solved by using an old Intel CPU mounting bracket and creating some 64mm x 64mm retention holes. You can find the entire ‘Hybrid Mod’ Build Log video here. The Hybrid mod also added some small finned heatsinks to the VRM components to further eliminate thermal issues.
The idea behind the hybrid mod is that it’s not just about being able to get more performance, it’s also about finding the thermal limitations of the card / GPU and how these thermals relate to fan speeds and ambient noise levels. It also allows Steve and his team to gain a bigger picture about the card in terms of overclocking headroom and issues like power leakage. Here’s a sample of what they discovered:
The Vega FE Hybrid mod posted reasonable gains in overclocking over the air-cooled counterpart, something we originally thought was due to more aggressive clock scaling at lower temperatures – similar to what’s seen on Pascal. We later learned it was to do with power leakage and power limitations on the GPU, as we’ll dig into momentarily. We were able to max-out our stock card overclock at around 1660MHz with an 1100MHz HBM2 OC, which we ultimately found to govern performance gains most heavily.
The Hybrid card, with the help of some fans pointed at the VRM components, was able to overclock to 1705MHz completely stable, with an 1105MHz HBM2 OC. We ended up running all our tests at 1700/1100 for now, but will be revisiting with slightly higher clocks later. The VRM fans proved unnecessary after more testing, but we’ll get to that momentarily.
Pushing to 1710MHz resulted in a near-instant crash, and measuring at the PCIe cables shows that this is when power throttling begins to occur with greater frequency (causing the instability and subsequent crash). We’re hoping to attempt some BIOS mods – no promises – to increase TDP. Just depends on what tools are made available to us, or what we can figure out through external tools.
You can find the full Hybrid Mod article from Gamers Nexus here, as well as the video that Steve posted on their YouTube channel here. It’s great see that fairly mainstream tech site is willing to conduct these kinds of experiments to delve deeper in to the actual technology that powers today’s 3D gaming titles. It’s also great to see that his video on the topic currently has almost 50,000 views and almost 500 comments. Nice work guys!
French No.1 Wizerty recently published a comprehensive Extreme Overclocking guide on Tom’s Hardware. The guide focuses squarely on AMD’s latest Ryzen series processors, testing every Ryzen and Ryzen 7 model CPU on the market today. Being published on a very well known and pretty mainstream tech site, he takes time to offer some fantastic insight into the processes involved with Extreme overclocking. Topics include motherboard preparation, memory and CPU prepping, plus tons of help and details about configuring the BIOS.
AMD's Ryzen processors offer a compelling price/performance ratio right out of the box. But despite their many overclocking-friendly knobs and dials, most enthusiasts struggle to take the CPUs beyond 4 GHz. Given that we know the ins and outs of extreme overclocking, though, we have a solution. It's time to break out the liquid nitrogen!
Allow us to take you on a cryogenic journey, where we'll explore Ryzen's behavior when it's cooled to -196°C. Our experiment will allow us to correlate frequency scaling to temperature, voltage, and core count. We also have some tips on hardcore modding, such as lapping (sanding smooth) the processor.
It’s great to see one of the most historically important tech sites takes on the subject of Extreme Overclocking with this much attention detail. It’s even better to see Wizerty at the helm producing some great content. Check out the full AMD Ryzen Guide here on Tom’s Hardware. You can also find the original French version here.
If you missed the most recent episode of the OC Show, have no fear the re-run of the show is available now on the Overclocking-TV YouTube channel. The new and revamped show once again features Toolius and Buildzoid who in this episode are joined by Trouffman who steps in for Ciro. The show now broadcasts on a weekly cadence and as always, covers all the news, controversies, contests and stories related to the grand old world of Overclocking.
Episode 4 covers a bunch of wide ranging topics, kicking off with a look at the forthcoming Cape Town 2017 leg of the HWBOT Tour which they are all looking forward too. Let’s hope DrWeez can recover from a recent illness to compete in the OCWC Qualifier contest. They also look at the GIGABYTE Beat the Heat contest on OC-ESPORTS were the guys discuss the possibility of some serious sandbagging. Toolius and Buildzoid point to the fact that some seriously competitive scores are expected to appear before the contest ends. Another contest under the microscope is the Team Cup where Warp9-systems and Overclock.net are competing at the top of the table. Plus there’s the Rookie Rumble series which continues as ever.
As VP of the French Federation of Overclockers (FFOC), Trouffman introduces the topic of French overclocking, the history of overclocking and the famous ClanOC team which has been less active than in previous years and the position of France as a nation in overclocking terms. Other topics include the big announcements from AMD and Intel, including recent slides where Intel accused the opposition of producing ‘glued together’ EPYC chips. Plenty of controversy to wade through. They then talk about the recent work of Sofos1990 (Greece) and his recent spate of Global First Place scores achieved using 6-core, 8-core and 10-core Skylake-X processors. Finally we have the news that the HWBOT x265 benchmark has been approved for points on HWBOT, and that the Overclocker Magazine has opted to drop awards in its reviews.
Over the weekend Japanese Extreme Overclocker NABE got down to some serious sub-zero overclocking. The session featured a Kaby-Lake-X processor from Intel which was pushed to new heights after being delidded with an LN2 pot mounted directly onto the CPU die. The outcome is a new World record in the classic 3DMark06 benchmark.
The 3DMark06 benchmark is, to put a fine point on things, a bit long in the tooth. Being more than a decade old means that the new GPUs don’t actually provide much of a boost in performance, so much that newer GPUs like Nvidia’s Pascal family can be run at stock settings and still produce decent scores. The best way of pushing the benchmark to new heights is in fact to use the fastest CPU you can get your hands on. This is one reason why Nabe opted to use the latest Kaby Lake-X processor, the Core i7 7740X. The i7 7740X may not have as many cores or threads as its Skylake-X brethren, but in core to core performance terms, it’s pretty hard to beat.
The new 3DMark06 World Record now stands at 71,966 marks. The score was made with NABE’s Core i7 7740X pushed to an incredible 7,127.8MHz, which is +65.76% beyond the chip’s stock settings. What makes the score and the CPU configuration more interesting is that Nabe opted to use delid his Kaby Lake-X chip, but instead of replacing the TIM ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶l̶i̶q̶u̶i̶d̶ ̶m̶e̶t̶a̶l̶ and re-attaching the IHS, he decided to mount the LN2 pot directly onto the CPU die itself. To make this happen he used an additional mounting mechanism that gives the LN2 pot solid contact with the CPU die (check out the image on the left).
Other rig details involve an ASUS ROG Rampage VI Apex board, a GALaX HoF GTX 1080 Ti LN GOC card plus GLALAX HoF DDR4 memory tuned to 2,075MHz (12-12-12-28). The score beats the previous best which was made last month during Computex by Team AU who scored 71,928 marks with a Core i7 7740X clocked at 7,100MHz (65.12%) Using a GIGABYTE X299 SOC Champion board.
After dealing with all the Challenger Divisions that are based on modern Intel and AMD hardware we finally arrive at Division VII, a place which is very much centered on older hardware. The winner at the end of Round 2 is Italy’s scannick, an overlocker who certainly knows a thing or two about benching retro hardware. Let’s take a look at all the notable scores and submissions from Round 2 of the Challenger Division VII.
Scannick (Italy) Wins Challenger Division VII (Socket LGA775 & GeForce 200)
Challenger Division VII brings us to retro hardware, which in Round 2 involves benching on processors from the classic Intel socket 775 era. Socket 775 covers a plethora of platforms that includes Prescott, Conroe, Yorkfield and Wolfdale architecture CPUs. Retro GPUs are also part of the picture with Nvidia 200 cards allowed. Here are retro-style benchmarks involved.
Division VII: Round 2 Stages
Stage 1: SuperPI 32M
We kick off this roundup with a look at Stage 1. Here we find our eventual winner from Italy in the driving seat at the top of the table with a SuperPi 32M run of 7min 49sec 172ms. His choice of LGA775 chip led him to use a Wolfdale-based Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 from early 2008. This was pushed to a very impressive 6,083MHz, which is a whopping +92.07% beyond stock settings. Other notable hardware included an ASUS Rampage Extreme motherboard, an Intel X48 board that was one of ASUS’ earlier ROG offerings, so much so that it didn’t feature the signature red and black color scheme.
Catch the full and detailed roundup article for Division VII, Round 2 here on OC-ESPORTS.
Here’s a quick update regarding the latest release schedule of the Intel XTU benchmark app. The app is getting closer to offering full support for the latest Skylake-X / X299 platform. With a full and final 6.30 release due to be officially available from Intel sometime in the next week, we can offer point you in the direction of a beta release which seems to have ironed out many of the bugs that end users may be experiencing on the new platform.
The latest beta version is 188.8.131.52 is available for download on this HWBOT forum page. Although version 184.108.40.206 initially offered Intel X299 support there were a few bugs which may well have prevented benchmarks being made (platform not recognized being one of them). Intel is clearly working hard behind the scenes to get things sorted with the new platform, with 220.127.116.11 making significant strides towards full X299 support.
We expect a full release to be available on the Intel Download Center in the next few days. Until then this beta release should give X299 overclockers the chance to bench on XTU. We will keep you updated regarding the availability of the full release when it arrives.
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|ASUS Republic of Gamers||20||110|
|Madshrimps Belgium OC Team||8||2|
|PC Games Hardware||7||39|
Every month or so we have a look at how well the overclocking teams adopt Rookie and Novice overclockers at HWBOT. For the first time since August last year we don't have the ASUS Republic of Gamers team leading the Rookie recruitement charts. It comes to no one's suprise that Team Wccftech now holds the top position with 50 (!) rookies and 3 novices enrolled. the ROG team is still in second place with an outstanding 29 rookies and impressive 110 novices in the team. Third place goes to /r/overclocking with 26 rookies and 77 novices in the team.
In the Rookie League, Dragon Soop (Play3r OC) from the United Kingdom is leading with 301.10 points which is 5.6 points more than SerpentX SF (Team Wccftech) from the USA and 6.5 points more than SecretDragoon from the United States.
Congratulations to all the overclocking teams adopting the new overclockers and of course the Rookies for their dedication to overclocking!
In Week 28 of 2017, we received 3541 benchmark results from 866 registered overclockers around the world. The majority of the submissions is coming from Rookie overclockers representing 58% of the active community. They were responsible for 38% of the submissions. We had a peek at the most valuable submissions in a breakdown per league.
First up in the gold this week is Sofos1990 from Greece. The in-house GIGABYTE overclocker has been very active in the weeks following the X299 platform launch. This week he registers a Global First Place in XTU 6xCPU with the Intel Core i7 7800X Skylake-X processor clocked at 5900 MHz. With 2984 marks the Greek scores 21 points higher than Dancop. Next is K|ngp|n from the USA. We haven't seen much action from the Taiwan based overclocking in the past couple of weeks, but he's back with a blast. He pushed the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti to 2632/1620 MHz and scored a Global First Place in the 3DMark Time Spy 1xGPU category with 14219 marks. TITAN X, no need! The third golden cup of the week comes from Poland. Xtreme Addict figured it was time to revisit the legendary LGA775 platform and scored a super-high overclocking Core 2 Duo E6300. The hardware first place for the CPU Frequency now stands at 4839.72 MHz, about 150 MHz higher than the previous best. Last but not least there's NABE from Japan who nailed the 3DMark06 World Record with a single GeForce GTX 1080 Ti and a Core i7 7740X Kaby Lake-X clocked to 7128 MHz. Congratulations to everyone making the leaderboard!
The most used hardware components of Week 28 are the Core i7 7700K (12.2%), GeForce GTX 1070 (10.8%) and the ASUS ROG Rampage V Edition 10 (2.3%). In total the community used 341 different CPUs, 212 different GPUs and 782 different motherboards.
The overclocking results submitted during Week 28 generated in total 140 World Record Points, 7454.2 Global Points, and 6654.9 Hardware Points. The distribution per League is as follows: 23% for Elite, 34% for Extreme, 7% for Apprentice, 18% for Enthusiast, 10% for Novice, and 15% for Rookie. The representation of the active community is as follows: 2% Elite, 8% Extreme, 4% Apprentice, 18% Enthusiast, 10% Novice, and 58% Rookie.
Most Valuable Submissions - Week 28, 2017
|League||CPU Benchmark||GPU Benchmark||Hardware Points|
|Elite||sofos1990||168.4 pts (GFP!)||k|ngp|n||159.7 pts (GFP!)||Xtreme Addict||49.8 (HFP!)|
|Extreme||xXbladeXx||189.8 pts||NABE||116.6 pts (WR!)||Samsarulz||49.9 pts|
|Apprentice||topyoyoguybest||41.6 pts||jab383||24 pts||davestarrr||24.1 pts|
|Enthusiast||Nik||44 pts||kjjweber||26.4 pts||FI_PD||23.1 pts|
|Novice||Sapass1||41.2 pts||niobium615||39.1 pts||miker2ka||23.9 pts|
|Rookie||jesurajanharish6||39.5 pts||N7SE||29.5 pts||jesurajanharish6||39.5 pts|
A couple of weeks ago saw the conclusion of Round 2 of the Road to Pro series here on OC-ESPORTS, the most comprehensive annual Overclocking series in existence. In this roundup article we focus on all the action from Challenger Divisions IV, V and VI which are centered exclusively around pushing hardware manufactured by AMD. Let’s take a look at the winners, the scores and the hardware used in Round 2 of the Road To Pro 2017.
orion24 (France) Wins Challenger Division IV, Round 2
For the first time, Division IV of the Road to Pro Round 2 involves the latest and greatest AMD Ryzen processor platform. Any AMD Ryzen 7-series processors as well as previous generation FX-Series processors are allowed, along with any GPUs from the AMD Radeon series. At the top of the table in Round 2 we find Frenchman orion24 with 488.1 points. Let’s have a look at all the action and see how it is that he came out on top.
Here are the stages that were devised for Round 2 of Division IV:
Division IV: Round 2 Stages
Stage 1: SuperPI 32M
We kick off in Stage 1 with a test centered on the ultimate classic CPU and memory benchmark, SuperPi 32M. Straight away we can see that orion24 means business, taking a the win with a SuperPi 32M run of 6min 54sec 960ms, quite a good bit ahead of his nearest competitor FlanK3r from the Czech republic with a run in 7min 7sec 51ms. Orion24 used an AMD Ryzen 7 1700X pushed way out to 5,287MHz (+55.50%) using an ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero motherboard. In terms of system memory (a crucial element in any winning run with SuperPi 32M) his DDR4 kit was configured at 1,375.7MHz (11-10-10-22).
Check out the full and detailed roundup article here on OC-ESPORTS.
Today being a Thursday, it’s once again time to take a look back at a poignant point in the past when we basically posted something pretty cool here on the HWBOT front page. Today we look back at a story from July 2013 when a Brazilian overclocker named Faster posted a YouTube video that showed a simple INF modification that allowed Nvidia GTX 780 users to bypass a multi-card limitation and enjoy some 4-way SLI action. Here’s what we wrote back in 2013:
In a video posted on his YouTube channel, Brazilian-Japanese performance tweaker Faster shows how to work around the 4-Way SLI limitation for the GeForce GTX 780 imposed by Nvidia. The video is in Portuguese so unless you're fluent in that language, you will have to rely on the video instructions to get 4-Way running. From the looks of it, the newer drivers featuring support for the GeForce GTX 780 cards also include a couple of lines preventing it from running 4-Way SLI. The older drivers have no such limitation, but also don't officially support the GTX 780. By simply using a modified nv_disp.inf, you can add the support and enjoy 4-Way SLI.
All credit goes to Faster from the Fusion-OC team. You can see his routine in the video below. Check out his forum thread here and here (Portuguese). With 4-Way SLI enabled on the GeForce GTX 780, Faster managed to score a solid 12,867 in Fire Strike Extreme.
You can find the original post from 2013 here, and of course make sure you check out the comments. This one actually has plenty of drama.